Great job. One other possibility is to just let the board run past the door opening if it’s only a couple inches from the wall the skirt will be fastened to. I appreciate your prompt reply, I found some helpful articles and I will keep these new ideas ready for the next go round. Bob, but your right just scribe it over both thats a first class job. You’d have to build out the 1/4″ plywood 1/2″ at the wall on the treads and risers and the rake line of the skirt. It is the easiest and you avoid making a ton of rise/run cuts to fit over the stairs. That’s one of the reasons carpet is installed after finish carpentry and painting etc. From the upper pictures on it looks like the nosings on the upper flight will be very close to hitting the existing. That way you don’t waste a board trying to make the first perfect cut and with one oops, a $70 1x12x16 is trash. My apologies. I avoided error with the calculator and cut 1x templates on the chop saw. Therefore, can I use 1/4″ oak ply to cover the skirt using your method? If the need arises to replace the carpet you will be relegated to replacing with carpet that’s as thick, or thicker than what you have now. Edge glued products resist warp and cup. Installing Composite Deck Skirting and Fascia . Funny, I grew up in Springfield, Pa…next door to Media. Michelle, today's free galleries: pix image file #001.jpg: pix image file #002.jpg: pix image file #003.jpg: pix image file #004.jpg: pix image file #005.jpg: pix image file #006.jpg In today’s world you seldom see a three piece base. There are instances where scribing the skirt is the best option. Skirting board is an architectural element used to enhance the appearance of a staircase. If you could post a picture regarding your second question I can respond better. Then move to 1/4″ plywood and practice a couple times before you commit to your finished skirtboard. A couple important things up front. But as a DIYer I’m not really sure how to hold that board in order to make the cut. I’ve installed carbonized bamboo retro treads already and am ready to start scribing the skirts. To install a skirt board before the stairs, follow these steps: If you don’t prefer the look of a stair skirt, or you have a non-traditional stairway, then you have a handful of other options. Thanks for your kind words. Sharon, I believe you’ll find it more durable over the long haul. We would lay out rafters, stringers, skirtboards, wall plates, etc.in a shop setting. I’d appreciate hearing how you make out. Congratulations on achieving a good result with your carpeted stairs. L.J Smith is the leading manufacturer of skirt & trim boards. Nice to see another “Norm” doing good work! This allowed the drywallers to drop the drywall right along the stairs and also allows for me to drop the skirt board right alongside the drywall without needing to scribe around treads. It will give you the opportunity to practice before you try this method on a stained skirt board. [As I said, I’m sure I’m missing something totally obvious, but…. If you offer small training courses online, I bet many would sign up! The skill there comes in cutting the treads. I like the idea of pre priming. If a mistake is made, the world doesn’t end, nor the job for that matter. thanks for the great help !!! Enough to give an even reveal of the skirt around the stairs, and still leave enough room for the baseboard to make the end corner. It’s been a valuable thing to know and use over the years. What size should a skirt board be? If you are a subscriber to TIC, tell every carpenter you bump into to sign up. I had to pull a few other tricks out of my bag to get this to fit. handsaw. Each of these pieces served a purpose. Can’t say exactly what happened but here are some possibilities. This old dog still loves a new trick! If the steps have rise variation (say 1/4″), *how* does the skirt end up fitting properly? The skill level will come with practice. Chances are if you tack the skirt where it passes they pass the protrusions you’ll have reasonably good results. Norm, The top & bottom newels should be located so that the handrail dies into the center of them with the ballusters plumb and the bottom o/s edge of the baluster in line with the i/s edge of the bullnose return. Step 7 Instructions . It is great that you put this information out for this knowledge to be passed on. You have to put some pressure down on the saw that’s not necessary with an up cut blade. Install … This enables you to “flex” the skirt a little to install it and also to nail directly through the skirt into the nosing, pulling it tight. As Gary said, Todd did all the sketches. But I do get your point of reducing joint sight lines. Anything tip: I used blue masking tape to mark the lines of the angles,, easy to see and easy off without messing up my paint. By doing so, you can connect the trim at the top of your stairs to the bottom. On long runs i do your method above. That’s ok as long as they can remain straight. The savings I make will be sent to the RNLI They learned the business from their father who was a tradesman. Aaron, Your project looks great !. I’ve never seen skirt boards scribed over carpet. I can see where the method in the article will be faster and more accurate. I’ve met many along the way who’s spirit was “I learned it the hard way and that’s the way the next guys going to learn it” We can be thankful for men such as Gary and the numbers of JLC contributers and posters who are willing, proficient and anxious to help the next man. If you will reread the article and follow step by step you’ll do great. last week another stair skirt job came up, ok, this time it’s on hardwood flooring that the owner had installed on the stairs. If the skirts aren’t already in place I think I might try a hybrid. and 3 in. “I’ll let you do it right or I’ll learn when you do it different but I won’t let you do it wrong” I’ve seen the nosings notched many times with excellent results. It wasn’t an option to tear out the finish walls to get to the closed end of the risers and treads where they butted the wall. Really an awesome article! Jim. It’s the same principle. We were indeed fortunate to learn from Don Zepp. Our Stair case is a L shape that curves on the last five steps. The stairs in my older house were built from plywood (very approximately done) and covered in tiles. I just tried this on a piece of MDF. From the bottom edge of the straight edge measure at a right angle to the intersection of where the tread meets the riser. A short answer to your original question is , yes, set the scriber to the 11&3/8. In the end the client was pleased with the job, however I was not. I try to maintain between 1&1/4 & 1&1/2″. Shadow gaps may be on trend, but the trusty skirting board is still a popular choice. Stair sizes are not always the same. I’d be interested to know how you or Josh do on your foirst skirtboard scribe job. First, I snapped a diagonal chalkline at the angle of the stair. It also helps when the stairs are particularly uneven that you leave only about 1&1/4 ” above the tips of the nosings so you can “spring” the skirt into place. I’m glad you ‘got it’ and used that skirt board method! That would be my 1st thought. Matt, making sure the top edge is straight. It is a type of fiberboard that is already white and comes in a variety of dimensions. I hope you have a good experience. In some instances, the skirting board gives the staircase added strength and support, helping it to maintain its shape. It was a really “fun” project that turned out much better than I had anticipated – thanks for a great article! Whatever works! If you’re not experienced in fine cutting the best bet may be a sliding compound miter saw where you can “sneak up” on the cut line. From the tone of your questions my supposition is that you are not familiar with scribing. Everyone wins. Check him out, it will be worth the effort. I don’t recall a problem with any of them. It works great on one dimensional cuts. 3. You must set the depth of your scriber for the furtherst distance that has to be removed so that the entire board will fit. Next, remove the skirt from the wall and, using a sample tread block and a sharp pencil, draw the nosing, using the slight arc you previously scribed from the tip of the nosing as your reference point. :). Great article, this is the kind of article I live for. I’m a long time carpenter that has built stairs as the need has arisen. Norm, I remember talking with you about this very thing last year on the JLC forum. Rough strings in place risers put on all first.Then Finish skirt is notched or scribed to risers only both sides you can shim riser to skirt from behind if needed .Treads butted to finish string both sides using a stair jig to get length and shape of tread. I am not a “stairbuilder” in a league with yourself and the many others who write, post and comment in JLC and the forums. After you have one comment approved, all of your subsequent comments will appear immediately. Jan 9, 2021 - Explore Johnny Bend's board "Nip Slip Pics", followed by 367 people on Pinterest. Regardless of the method I was going to use for the skirts, yours and Carl’s articles are invaluable. Your well written article is a real help. Great article and very helpful. Ok, a while back I posted here about having a stair skirt job to do, and was going to try the scribing method as described by Norm Yeager. I hope that’s the same for you. Please let me know your thoughts on that plan, I would love to hear your pros and cons on it. I hope you have done well over the years. The standard in new construction was prefabbed stairs with the treads and risers routed into the stringers. It has a far less busy look than using trim to frame around each step and is easy to work with. I’ve never scribed over carpet. It’s pretty foolproof. Is the “shooting board” a homemade track saw without the locking feature of the saw to the track like the Festool, Makitas, DeWalts, etc. Norm, thanks for the response. What type of wood should I be using? Nailing through the skirt at the nosing will draw it up tight. At StairSupplies, you’ll find the best selection of trim molding for your customized staircase — from shoe molding to stair nosing to skirt boards.Each part is made from superior lumber, helping you maintain quality throughout your home. Norm. One, order a base cap from the moulding supplier, or, if they don’t have base cap to match, order enough baseboard and cut the cap portion off on a tablesaw. ], John, It may be necessary to use some type of “hook” to pull as many carpet fibers out from under the skirt. “Don Zepp,” he replied. Norm. See more ideas about stairs skirting, stairs, diy stairs. Norm. I can say that I’ve done it many times exactly as I wrote it with the same results as I recounted in the article. they are funded entirely by charitable donations. I hope this helps Whatever that number is, add 2″ to it and that will give you a sufficiently wide board to use as a skirt board. It either stands alone against the wall along the closed-end of your stairs, or you can run your regular baseboard along the top of it to create an unbroken line of trim from floor to floor. That will show you how the scribing process will go. As a side note, I used a Forstner bit of a diameter just under the radius of my nosings to remove the bulk of the material, then cleaned them up with a coping saw and rasp. The first set of steps terminates in a landing which immediately make a 90 degree left turn. Set the sharpened nail point to the height of the highest riser. I’ve though about this from time to time….thanks for finally shedding light on it for me. If you can’t find a separate cap you always have the option of buying enough baseboard and then ripping the top profile off for your skirtboard cap. From that line draw anther line at a right angle that extends to the intersection of the riser and the tread. Ryan, You can install your stairs first, then put the skirt board on after. Thanks Norm, I am attempting this (out of $ necessity) on my townhouse and from terror in ignorance I have, having read this article, come round to cautious confidence in the procedure (if still somewhat shaky on the skill level). I always use a 12” board. They are used to create a finished look in a home that features baseboards, unifying the different levels of a house. In a recent remodel, Forrest McCanless, had to put in a skirtboard the hard way—with the treads and risers already in place. Your work is incredible! Once that was complete I transferred the template to my mdf board by tapping and spray painting the outline of the template onto the board. Norm, when you cut the skirt board what type of saw are you using? Thanks for the info. Aaaaaarrgghh. If not, a good way to miter the long unwieldy skirt board would be with a sliding compound miter saw with an extension table long enough to support it. Using an adjustable T bevel is another viable option. In that process they would replace appx. I appreciate the elegant simplicity and common sense involved in your method and I will use it on my next project that requires it. Typically I would move the newel post slightly to the right so if the stairs were carpeted the carpet would die into the newel and not stick out past. For example, because saw-toothed skirt boards have a large percentage of the board notched out at the open treads, the look is not as heavy. Todd Murdock did an excellent job on the illustrations, too, and the drawings make this whole story sparkle. Aaron, I’m finishing my own basement and need to do this for both sides of the stairway down. Stair skirt board material should be ½” to ¾” MDF, hardwood, or softwood. the steps are always the same usually and its just a rough cut to use the scriber .by the way love that scriber from (fast cap). Did you mark registration lines on the wall when you put your uncut skirt on at first? Todd Murdock Game on! the far right side of the skirt board, find 7" on the inside of the square, and put the 7" mark at the right side top corner of the skirt. Just like in the stone wall illustration. 100 3′ solid core doors. By that I mean I hope I can give away as much of the knowledge and all of the money I’ve been able to accumulate. Probably best if you are the one who built the stairs in the first place and did it right. Hartley, When we first moved into our new house , I knew the first thing that needed to be addressed was the steps leading upstairs. One of the primary advantages to scribing over top of the treads/risers is that you are not staring into the joints when you climb the stairs. Years ago I only cut skirts with a sharp 10 pt. Once you select a file, it will be uploaded and attached to the end of your comment. Thank you! Vu, Sorry it’s taken this long to respond. Much Thanks, If it wasn’t 11:00 pm, I might have started this minute, lol. ” Different strokes for different folks” If the stairs get carpeted and a few minor splinters wouldn’t matter a regular blade would work fine also. I've been a trim carpenter for the past eight years and if you are working on one of my stairways, you are not going to have much luck. Great website and very helpful articles – keep’im comin’ Thanks Tim. In the article I recommended using a sharpened nail because the cut line on a skirt has to be sharp and it’s easy to fasten the nail through the oak scribe stick. Smith is the solution for your stair system needs. Nate, Nate, I worked for a builder and they were our biggest competition. Skirtboards can be used to hide the edge of exposed risers or installed on the inside wall of a stair. Your work is second to none, making your commendation even more meaningful. If you can remove the existing stairs or are doing a new build, then put the skirt on before the stairs. I’ve never drilled out the nosing primarily because I’ve always been able to cut them accurately with a coping saw. I’m sure it works well when the run and the rise are consistent and the treads are flat & level. A skirt board is specifically for stairs. If you dont’t set the scribe stick to the highest rise and the deepest tread you’ll end up with a missing triangle where tread meets rise when you install the skirt. While that’s one way of learning I never thought it was the best way. Will this cause me issues down the road? Stair skirt boards are used wherever a set of stairs has a side abutting a wall. I have built several staircases over the years and when I look back at how much I did not know on the first couple, it kind of surprises me sometimes. Maybe I cannot scribe it after all and will just have to measure and layout everything after all. I then cut and trimmed with a jig saw and oscillating tool. I love the detail you have provided here. Have you ever been to Woodruff? Thank you for the kind words. Right, wrong and different. A skirt board is installed to the finished wall (sheet rock, paneling, etc.) At the top of the stairs I have cut the skirting to allow the baseboards to continue down the stair skirt. So from this distance, use a level to mark a straight line vertically near the bottom end of the skirt board. A skirt board on your stairs is a long, unbroken piece of trim just for your stairs. Local Hero, I’ve been doing this a long time and I have yet to have a coping saw “get away from me” 1 decade ago . The material easiest/least costly material to come by is pine but I’ve cut skirt boards out of oak and poplar as well. I hope you have the opportunity to try it. Use a straight edge and pencil for marking the location of the baseboard molding at the stairs' bottom end onto the skirt. Stair Skirt Board. Don Zepp was the best. Thanks for the kind words. It’s basically an arm with a sliding/lockable piece of plywood on both ends that you fit against skirt on both ends, lock in place and then remove it and use it as a template. Do I need to remove the stair tread boards, and then pull the skirt out? I intend on putting new treads on top of the plywood. Placed total feet needed in quantity box when ordering. Otherwise the piece you’re scribing and the surface you are scribing to won’t touch along the entire length. I’ve templated many things. 3/8″ – 10 1/16″ to 9 5/8″ approx. Thanks and very good article ! The description and pictures were so easy to follow. Never underestimate the value of a full scale drawing. I could tell whether they understood what they were doing on a piece of cardboard just as easily as I could on a piece of rough or finish limber. Carpet has already been installed, would you recommend adding a 1/4″ or lift the carpet?. worth every single penny thanks so much. Thank you. Lindsey, On my Bosch saw I keep the orbital setting to the minmum. Another option would be to cut thinner material such And as 1/4” or thinner plywood and hot glue together to go from just inside the bottom jambs. Magnolia Green Paint by Magnolia Home - My Favorite Paint Colors. Typically their idea of learning carpentry was to learn by doing. My run is about 12′, so I was just going to buy perhaps a 1×10 at the required length. We were planning on sanding and painting the stair skirt board. pencil! You’re done! It will be a little more challenging than cutting a standard tread profile but not anymore difficult than cutting crown or bed moulding. It has finished edges, making it better suited for stair skirting than plywood since it is already white and doesn’t need a piece of trim on top of it to hide the unfinished thickness of the skirt. Wood shrinks primarily in the width direction and that can be significant. It still amazes ne that we can learn from one another almost instantaneously, although separated by borders and 1000’s of miles. Norm, Sooooo I’ll know soon if I’m workin for a buck an hour! 4. If you need an extra-long piece, then you’ll have to contact a lumberyard. I would cut the skirt with a handsaw or saber saw along the scribed line until I came to the start of the nosing’s radius. Regarding the coping vs cutting the nosing, I’ve elected to attempt the cutting due to 2 fairly new tools (in the grand scheme of things), these are the Multi Max, and the 0 clearance Dremel Saw Max. Can’t you use a pencil? Thanks Again. This is the kind of thing that makes me excited to be a carpenter again. Try it with a piece of 1/4 ” plywd ripped to 11&1/4″ or a piece of cardboard from a large box. Great article Norm. It’s critical that you use the highest riser and the longest tread when there’s a variance, and there always is. The base cap adds the finishing touch. Step 2- Brace the Stringers . Carl has written numerous articles over many years for JLC, Fine Homebuilding and other trade magazines. There are several instances when stair skirt boards just don’t make sense. Most of the risers were 7 5/8″ to 7 11/16″, except the first one, that was dead on 8″. I can’t make it line up with my marks on the wall. I have one run that is 11 3/8 and the rest are around 10 1/4. I have not been able to find anyone that could help or wanted to help. Depending on the material you’re cutting a fine blade works well with minimal or no splintering. Typically, skirtboards are sandwiched between the stair stringer and the wall, and are installed before the treads and risers. I love your directions and illustrations are awesome. I’m 62 now and still feel the same way. If I were in your place and wanted to have skirt boards I would try a small section of the stairs first to see how the skirt will fit over the carpet. It has to be glued carefully with high quality glue and biscuits/dowels. I guess if they were “minor” enough they could be sanded out and would be a good trade off for the improved accuracy. Skirt board/Kick board. (the picture is a bit on an angle – sorry about that). Another advantage in keeping the material over the tread to a minimum is that you can finish nail through the skirt into the nosing, drawing it up tight. From all I’ve seen for stair remodels, the treads look like they’re pretty flushed to the walls (or skirts) on the ends. Just thinking out loud I believe I would have scribed a cardboard or Luan template and after I had a tight fit then overlaid it over the panels, possibly with them laying on the floor. If I’m not careful that could make me envious ! Excellent article Norm. The second article was written by Carl Hagstrom who, like me graduated from Williamson Trade School. Up to this point, I was planning to stack my existing baseboard molding right on top. Here is on other picture as well. It’s also pretty surprising how much material you can get free if you’re willing to scrounge through a lumber yards dumpster.Often once or twice a year when they do inventory they throw away all kinds of stuff that you wouldn’t be able to afford to let students practice on if you had to pay for it. Best wishes. What you’re doing is making a template that you could “fiddle with” until it’s perfect and once achieved take it and transfer the profile to the finished skirt board. I hope this helps. To determine how wide your board has to be lay a straight edge across the tops of several nosings and measure from the bottom of that straight edge at a 90 degree angle back into the corner intersection where the riser and tread meet. I used some popsicle sticks and super glue to make a template. I would round the edge of the scribing stick that contacts the carpet so that you can press it into the carpet without it snagging/catching as you move it. Most codes require appx. We tore up the carpeting to prepare the stairs for laminate flooring on them. If your going to put on two finish coats I’d prime and put the first finish coat on then scribe. If you do not plan to paint your board and want it to match your hardwood treads, then you’ll have to contact a local lumberyard. Thanks Norm ! I would definitely remove the carpet if it’s an option without ruining it. If there’s a variation set the nail to the highest riser. If it looks good, it IS good! Thanks for the kind words. I have attached an image of the curved portion with skirting. Thanks John, I’ve got to show your comment to my kids and grandkids. I’m excited to think of what the future will bring for you and TiC. Well done Norm, very insightful and as mentioned the illusrations are great. And always acclimate. That means you don’t want to mess it up because you’ll be seeing the flaws in your work for many years to come, along with anyone else who spends time in your house. You figured it out. The skirt is basically a piece of trim used to cover the structural section of the stairs. The first time something similar happened to me. You’ll need a router or have a steady hand with a coping saw to make it look nice. The stairs were stain-grade yellow pine, so putty and paint wasn’t an option. Thanks for posting picture. Set the nail in the oak strip to the width of the widest riser if there’s a variation. Thanks for the quick reply! Thanks Ultra low maintenance; no sanding, staining or painting required. I actually measure my rise and run .Then i layout the entire .Just like if you were cutting a rough string. I’m a 70 year old DIY carpenter and this really made it easier. Establishing the Skirt Board Length for Your Stairway Finding the length of skirt boards for your stair way is very easy. Great article and a new approach for me. We manufacturer over 150 different skirt & trim boards. Railings. the skirt and die into the newel. 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